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You were only a couple months out of journalism school when you were first imprisoned, now you have a 20-year-old daughter. Does that give you a new perspective on your imprisonment? I was 22 years old when I was first imprisoned. At the time I did not understand the full enormity and now, I'm nearly 50, and I look at my nephews and nieces, and, of course, my daughter, and I realize, "Oh my God! Was that me?" At that age, one is still silly and youthful. I was really bubbly and happy. When it was happening to me, I thought that it was just South Africa. It was just a reality. Now, when I look back, I think about how absolutely outrageous it was. There is just no excuse for it. My life was never the same again; I experienced something by going into the belly of the beast. At what point did you decide to give the police what they wanted? The first time I gave them not exactly what they wanted, but whatever I could think of saying. It was humiliating as far as I'm concerned. It was just a matter of pure survival; "Am I going to stay alive in this situation?" The first time I was imprisoned, I couldn't think about what was happening. I wanted to focus on the sea and the mountains, and just not think about it because it was too terrifying. The second time I could think more about it, because I knew the routine and the techniques. It is almost like I had a practice round the first time, so I never divulged anything. But you endured a lot of terrible things before giving in. What was your motivation for holding out as long as you did? Eventually the thing that humiliated me the most was that I was forced to give me information about a colleague of mine who had written a particular story about the military. The story was written without a byline because we had tried to keep it a secret. So, the last thing on earth I wanted to do was to implicate anyone else. It was my personal integrity on the line, my journalistic integrity, it was what I believed in professionally, and ethically and personally. Yet, in the end, I told them. I had the awful choice of either saving my dad or giving them this information. They say any piece of metal with sufficient pressure is able to bend. What can be done to ensure that crimes against humanity, such as apartheid, never happen again? It is the extent to which you create a society that's different. The human condition being what it is, we tend to do the same things over and over again. I don't have the answer. It's being conscious. It is being aware. It is being mindful. As journalists, it is to be continuously focusing attention on these things. How has journalism changed since when you first got into the business? Journalists need to be a little detached so they can see the people who are voiceless and not given the opportunity of expressing themselves. I find now that the way journalism is organized is often to express the voice of the powerful; it is reworking press releases that come from those of power. Sometimes those individuals in a newsroom represent a very narrow commercial interest, and they don't rock the boat. What is your advice for budding journalist in today's world? One's first responsibility is to learn the skills you need. You can't just decide that you're going to be a carpenter, and you're going to make a beautiful carved chaise without being prepared to first make an ordinary flat table with square legs. To get to the point of making that beautifully carved chaise, you unfortunately have to first make that ugly-looking table and then you've got to learn how to polish it and then make another table. When people complain about where they work, I always say, "By God, it doesn't matter where you work, just learn everything that you can possibly learn because that can't be taken away from you. Tomorrow if there is an earthquake and you lose everything, if you are still alive you still have that ability, that skill." If you find yourself in a job that is not the most exciting, you can still get things from it. You can really learn to get your fingers to do the work that has to be done and to get your brain to do the kind of thinking that has to be done, and that can never be taken away from you. How do you personally deal with the pressure of being a journalist? You need to work toward knowing what your goals are and how you see the world and then, live in terms of that. Journalism and the work you do are not separate from the way you live your life. When I was Group Parliamentary Editor at Parliament, I used to make a joke to my immediate superior that the company should pay me more because my social life was completely messed up from this job. Because journalists speak into society, I've always felt that it puts an enormous personal responsibility on them. You have to be careful about your conduct when you want to speak to power, and you have to safeguard your independence. Related
Kate Greer, of Marshalltown, Iowa, is a senior in the strategic communication emphasis area with a double major in psychology. Kate will graduate in May 2007 and plans to attend law school. She is a member of the University of Missouri's cross country and track team.
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